[dolphinlover]

I have 11 vials of the IDS protein bullets in grape. It was the only flavor I didn't like . I am willing to let them go for $2.00 ea. Shipping is $10.00. Still cheaper than buying it anywhere. I bought them for $3.00 ea. Leave me a response and I will call you and give you my info for sending payment.

[Trulykath]

what is IDS?

[dolphinlover]

IDS is the company. Its 3 oz of protein, grape flavored, 42g of protein in 3oz which is amazing. You can look it up. I bought a bunch.

[Trulykath]

In my research...I found the info below....I had used NEW WHEY before, but got to where they were making nearly vomit...I have been using PROFECT...but take a look at the article below...it's really making me think twice about how I'm getting my protein!

UNJURY® Protein 1 800 517 5111 Nutrition@UNJURY.com Welcome to the UNJURY Homepage UNJURY® Update May 2007
Dear UNJURY Customer:
Subject: Liquid Proteins in Test Tubes: Mostly Collagen, Very Low Protein Scores1
You know Pepsi says it tastes better than Coke, and that AT&T/Cingular drops fewer calls than Verizon. Today, we’re going to compare something more important to your health, the protein nutrition value of several protein brands.
Different types of protein –from whey, soy, egg or collagen – provide very different nutrition value to your body. About 4 years ago, the Institute of Medicine of The National Academies proposed a scoring system to assign a nutritional value to different proteins. It is called PDCAAS2, but rather than use so many initials, we’re just going to just say "Protein Score". Just like a history test in school, the Protein Score goes from 0 to 100.
You can calculate the Protein Score of a protein supplement if you know the amino acid profile of the supplement, or if you know what kind of proteins are in it, and how much. This update looks at two protein supplement brands, "Profect"3 and "New-Whey"3 that come in "test tubes". (Some people call them "bullets" or "shooters".)

Both of these are made mostly with collagen protein, and collagen protein alone gets a 0 (zero) Protein Score…out of 100. But their labels say they also contain two high scoring proteins, whey and casein, and that would affect their Protein Score. So we wanted to know how much whey and casein they contain, and we thought you might want to know too…but we couldn’t find any information about that on their websites nor on their labels (except for the order of ingredients – hydrolyzed collagen protein is listed first).

So we sent a sample of each – Profect and New-Whey –
to a respected independent laboratory, Covance, Inc.4
( Covance: the CRO for Drug Development Services ) for analysis. We had each analyzed for their amino acid content – so we could calculate a Protein Score for each brand. We calculated the Protein
Scores – using the IOM formula – and composition
estimates on those results. (see Appendix A)

Results 5 :

1. 1.

The Protein Score for Profect is 6, and the Protein Score for New-Whey is 4, each out of a possible 100. For details on the calculations, see Appendix C.

PROTEIN SCORE

(PDCAAS)

FOR SELECTED BRANDS
UNJURY: 100
Profect: 6
New-Whey 4

641000102030405060708090100UNJURY® ProfectNew-Whey

1 We are using the PDCAAS method of scoring proposed by the

Institute of Medicine of The National Academies in the book,
Dietary Reference Intakes, ISBN 0-309-08537-3.

2 PDCAAS: Protein Digestibility Adjusted Amino Acid Scoring

3 Profect is trademark of Protica, Inc., New-Whey is a trademark of IDS Sports

4 About Covance: Covance routinely conducts testing for government agencies such as USDA and

FDA and is sometimes chosen by the FDA to develop official testing methods themselves.

5 More detailed results in Appendix A

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6 Recommended Dietary Allowances, the Institute of Medicine of The National Academies, in the book, Dietary Reference Intakes, ISBN 0-309-08537-3

7 A 200 pound person would need to consume approximately 1 gallon; the requirements for other body weights are proportional. For example, a 300 pound person would need to consume approximately 1.5 gallons.

2. 2. The estimated composition of the protein in Profect and New-Whey: both brands are estimated to be at least 95% collagen protein. For details on the calculations, see Appendix C.
   

PROTEIN COMPOSITION: UNJURY, PROFECT AND NEW-WHEY

0%10%20%30%40%50%60%70%80%90%100%New-WheyProfectUNJURY® Whey proteinand caseinproteincombinedEstimated %CollagenProtein100% Whey Protein (Isolate)95% Collagen Protein95% Collagen Protein

2. 3.
   So how much Profect or New-Whey would a person need to consume to meet the Recommended Dietary Allowances6 (RDAs) for all Essential Amino Acids (EAAs)?
   The RDAs are based on body weight. So, for example, a 200 pound adult would need to consume about 40 servings -- almost a gallon7 per day of Profect or New-Whey (if these were the only protein source), to meet the RDAs for all Essential Amino Acids. In contrast, only 3.6 servings of UNJURY are required to meet the same RDAs.
   
   

Note:
It might be possible – but complicated and difficult – for a person to combine very specific foods to help offset some of the Protein Score (EAA) deficiencies in Profect or New-Whey. To do this consistently, a person would need to: a) know the EAA composition of the foods, and b) know how each and every EAA "insufficiency" in a supplement is remedied by an "oversufficiency" of each of same EAAs in the foods. Such foods would have to be consumed within a short time of consuming the low Protein Score supplement. For more, see Appendix B.

So even though Profect or New-Whey contains
25 or 42 grams of protein per serving, its low scoring protein does not provide you all same benefits as a protein with a high Protein Score.

Profect or
New-Whey needed per day

www.UNJURY.com UNJURY® Protein 1 800 517 5111 Nutrition@UNJURY.com Welcome to the UNJURY Homepage
8 Recommended Dietary Allowances, the Institute of Medicine of The National Academies. Page 680 in PDF version.
The 3Ts :
As always, UNJURY focuses on delivering the 3Ts: Taste, Trust and Tolerability. We believe Trust very much includes protein whose nutrition value you can always confidently rely upon. For that reason, we will never sell a collagen-based product.
Kind regards,
Martha and Jerome
UNJURY Protein
Appendix A
ESSENTIAL AMINO ACID CONTENT – SELECTED SAMPLES
mg of each EAA / g of PROTEIN

ESSENTIAL
AMINO ACID (EAA)
UNJURY
Profect
New-Whey
HISTIDINE
18.0
6.0
5.6
ISOLEUCINE
67.0
14.0
13.9
LEUCINE
114.0
28.4
27.6
LYSINE
98.0
35.4
34.7
METHIONINE (+ CYSTINE)
48.0
11.2
11.0
PHENYLALANINE (+TYROSINE)
61.0
33.7
32.0
THREONINE
71.0
16.8
16.1
TRYPTOPHAN
22.0
Limiting-> 0.35
Limiting-> 0.24
VALINE
61.0
23.8
22.7

Appendix B

A note on the difficulty of combining of two low-scoring proteins to try to create a high-scoring protein combination:
It is possible for a person to do this, but it is complex – that is, it would likely require detailed knowledge about the amino acid composition of foods, along with careful attention, for the reasons below:
The Institute of Medicine referenced those EAAs which are " most likely limiting amino acids (see Glossary below) in common food protein sources."8 These included the sulfur amino acids - methionine + cysteine, and tryptophan).
In Profect and New-Whey: tryptophan is also the limiting EAA and the combination of methionine + cysteine is also relatively low among EAAs, based on the RDAs. So consistently achieving a complementary combination would be unlikely without detailed knowledge of, and attention to, the EAA composition of the foods needed to complement
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Appendix C - Calculations
Details on the PDCAAS calculations: The limiting amino acid for both of those brands (see Glossary) is tryptophan. For Profect: 0.35 mg tryptophan / 7mg for the IOM reference protein1 x 100% for digestibility (the actual Profect digestibility score might well be lower-- in the mid 90s, but we don’t have the exact score so we assumed 100, the highest digestibility. Because of the low overall score, the exact digestibility isn’t material.) yields a PDCAAS of 5, and we showed 6 in the chart to over-account for any possible minor rounding effects. For New-Whey: 0.24 mg tryptophan, yields a corresponding 3.4%, which we similarly rounded to 4%. For UNJURY: 18 mg Histidine and a digestibility score of 99, the established score for whey protein yields a 100.
Details on the composition estimate calculations: Typically, whey protein and casein protein contain approximately 16 mg Tryptophan per gram of protein or more. Collagen contains no Tryptophan. Because Profect contains, according to the Covance analysis, 0.35 mg Tryptophan per g of protein, we can estimate the percentage of whey and casein (combined) as 0.35/16.0 = 2.2%. There are possible errors in this calculation in both directions: a) there is little Tryptophan in the product so the chance for a small error exists. b) we assumed 10 mg of Tryptophan per 100 g of finished product, even though the actual lab result is: "<10" mg (that is, less than 10 mg) of Tryptophan per 100 g of finished product. The "<10" mg result is the case for both the Profect and New-Whey samples. To avoid overstating the percentage of protein from collagen, an incomplete protein, we simply used 95%.
Glossary
Amino Acid ("AA")
Amino acids are the basic building blocks of protein. There are 20 different amino acids in the human body.
Essential Amino Acid ("EAA")
Of the 20 amino acids, 9 are called "Essential" (or "Indispensable") because they cannot be synthesized, or manufactured, by the human body. They must be supplied in the diet. If an insufficient amount of any one EAA is consumed over a long enough period of time, symptoms of protein deficiency will develop.
Limiting Amino Acid
This is the EAA which is present in the least amount, relative to the requirements. As noted in the IOM book, "…the ‘limiting amino acid’ will determine the nutritional value of the …protein in the diet." The net protein utilization is profoundly affected by the limiting amino acid content.

[courtneey]

So I am too lazy to read all that Kath, give me your analysis! Please!

[Trulykath]

basically, it's saying the bullets are collagen protein, and we don't get all the protein the product claims. It says good things about unjury....or powders that aren't collagen protein!

[Kenyar]

yep i read that a while back; or something similar. i believe it was emailed to me. which was why i never invested in the bullets. i dont mind sippin on the shakes but i try to get the bulk of my protein from food, because you just dont really know whats in this stuff...something to think about.

[Trulykath]

Don't get me wrong, I've purchased over 4 cases of PROFECT, some NEW WHEY etc!!! The only thing that has me worried is that I HAVEN"T been getting in protein, but I'm using other things/food too!

[clancythecamper]

Interesting. Thankfully, Im a carnavore and tolerate meat well.

[thumper1]

Hello all! When I inquired about the bullets to my surg. and NUT> they both did not recommend them because they r not absrbed in us and my surg. also said it is just a "gimic" online to get people to buy the product. They do recommend Unjury Products.