Protien

freebird · 04-12-2006, 07:44 AM

all those post op s out there aren't gonna like me for this one but is it possible (for a pre op) to take in too much protien. How does it affect us before such surgery, i'm asking because i've started using protien shakes for breakfast and a bar for a snack in the afternoon cause i'm trying to lose weight. is it helpful, can i get too much ?

fr1endly2 · 04-12-2006, 08:00 AM

i see now harm...
never to early to start good eating habits.
THERE are high protein diets out there: atkins and southbeach
that keep proteins high carbs lo!

ITS a far more filling food them empty calorie loaded carb loaded
foods that trigger eating !IF done correctly birdy you can loose
alot from eating that way!

ALL the best
xoxo

DocSanae · 04-12-2006, 09:14 AM

No, there's no problem in getting your protein in. Nothing really to worry about too much protein either, unless your renal (kidney) function is low (for instance, if you have nephropathy--degradation of kidney function-- from diabetes) in which case your protein intake has to be limited. You do need some carbs, though (your brain cells run only on glucose, except in a very rare situation) so just make sure you don't starve your brain. The ADA recommends a minimum amount of 130g carbs (but keep this good carbs, not bad ones).
For proteins, the daily requirement is from 30-50 grams, so the recommended daily intake, to be safe, is 60-75 grams. BUT when you are going through rapid weight loss-- as with WLS, protein can be delpleted along with fat, so your protein intake has to be higher, 100 grams (approx 3.5 oz) or more.
Also, as with post ops, when you are eating real food, eat the protein first, this keeps you feeling full longer, and even if you eat good carbs after the protein, it helps in keeping your carb craving under control.

Great going, starting early on making good eating a habit!!

freebird · 04-12-2006, 11:57 AM

now i know this is gonna sound stupid but when you say carbs you mean.......? what potatoes, bread pasta that kind of thing?
thanks for the info that i did understand, and even the stuff your gonna need to explain for me. i like the protien shake i found and the bar is yummy,

DocSanae · 04-12-2006, 12:43 PM

Yes, by carbs I mean potatoes, bread, pasta, rice, wheat, grains and grain products...preferebly unrefined, but if processed, as little as possible. Best to avoid fried ones, stick to baked, boiled, brolied, that kind of stuff, not cooked with oil/butter.

christyblue · 04-13-2006, 06:50 AM

great advice doc..i need to take it...i ate french fries yesterday...bad choice...today will be better...i always get my protien in tho...i crave it actually.
huggs
christy

freebird · 04-13-2006, 06:59 AM

ok thanks Doc.I've pretty much cut out potatoes, bread, hardly ever eat pasta and when i do it's in the form of whole wheat lasagna noodles or whole wheat spaghetti noodles. i eat rice like say once in every 6 or 7 months, (not a big rice fan), when i do eat bread it's 12 grain or rye and when i do crave potatoes or find i am extra hungry i 'll have a yam (well half a yam. So i hope i'm ok. Thanks for the advice

Pillows · 04-18-2006, 03:40 PM

Another good thing to do is to substitute brown rice for white rice. I did South Beach before I decided to have the surgery, and it was easier to follow than a lot of other diets because it recognized the need for good carbs. It sounds like you have a really good handle on it. I love Triscuits too. I would put a little low fat whipped cream cheese on them and if I was really lucky a sliced strawberry.
Janae

freebird · 04-27-2006, 06:12 AM

thanks for the suggestion pillows, i am not a big rice eater to begin with and neither is roo, i think i bought a box of minute rice a year ago and still have over half a box left.
i like the triscuit, low fat cream cheese, and strawberries, sounds yummy

Pillows · 05-02-2006, 06:37 PM

One thing that I have discovered post op that I like protein wise is the Oven Roasted Turkey Spam. It is a softer easier meat to eat in the puree stage, you can fry it and compliment it easily, and it has low amounts of fat in it so you don't have to sweat about that. I have tried it pan fried with a thin strip of mozzarella melted on it and either mustard or marinara sauce to mix things up. I also enjoyed the fact that it was easy to grab a slice of it and nibble it as I was driving to get the car's oil changed today. Hope this helps you out.
Janae

04-12-2006, 07:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
freebird WLS Mentor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: outside of Ottawa Ontario Posts: 1,187 Please Enter Height:	Protien all those post op s out there aren't gonna like me for this one but is it possible (for a pre op) to take in too much protien. How does it affect us before such surgery, i'm asking because i've started using protien shakes for breakfast and a bar for a snack in the afternoon cause i'm trying to lose weight. is it helpful, can i get too much ? __________________ Don't let todays sorrows cloud tomorrows dreams (Surgery date? = still waiting)

04-12-2006, 08:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
fr1endly2 Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SOMEPLACE LONG ISLAND, NY Posts: 6,756 Weight Statistics June 1, 2005 Start Date: Please Enter Height: 310 lb Start Weight: 167 lb Current Weight: 159 lb Goal Weight: 143 lb Weight Loss: 8 lb Lb Left to Lose: 46.1290322581 % % Lost: Body Mass Index 51 BMI Start: 27 BMI Current: Weight Loss Method Roux en Y Gastric Bypass	i see now harm... never to early to start good eating habits. THERE are high protein diets out there: atkins and southbeach that keep proteins high carbs lo! ITS a far more filling food them empty calorie loaded carb loaded foods that trigger eating !IF done correctly birdy you can loose alot from eating that way! ALL the best xoxo __________________ LISA http://w5.photobucket.com/widgets/dy...164/fr1endly2/ LAP RNY Gastric Bypass

04-12-2006, 09:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
DocSanae Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 8,678 Blog Entries: 2 5' 5" Height:	No, there's no problem in getting your protein in. Nothing really to worry about too much protein either, unless your renal (kidney) function is low (for instance, if you have nephropathy--degradation of kidney function-- from diabetes) in which case your protein intake has to be limited. You do need some carbs, though (your brain cells run only on glucose, except in a very rare situation) so just make sure you don't starve your brain. The ADA recommends a minimum amount of 130g carbs (but keep this good carbs, not bad ones). For proteins, the daily requirement is from 30-50 grams, so the recommended daily intake, to be safe, is 60-75 grams. BUT when you are going through rapid weight loss-- as with WLS, protein can be delpleted along with fat, so your protein intake has to be higher, 100 grams (approx 3.5 oz) or more. Also, as with post ops, when you are eating real food, eat the protein first, this keeps you feeling full longer, and even if you eat good carbs after the protein, it helps in keeping your carb craving under control. Great going, starting early on making good eating a habit!! __________________ "In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun." Just a li'le bit 'bout myself Last edited by DocSanae : 04-12-2006 at 12:42 PM.

04-12-2006, 11:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
freebird WLS Mentor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: outside of Ottawa Ontario Posts: 1,187 Please Enter Height:	now i know this is gonna sound stupid but when you say carbs you mean.......? what potatoes, bread pasta that kind of thing? thanks for the info that i did understand, and even the stuff your gonna need to explain for me. i like the protien shake i found and the bar is yummy, __________________ Don't let todays sorrows cloud tomorrows dreams (Surgery date? = still waiting)

04-12-2006, 12:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
DocSanae Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 8,678 Blog Entries: 2 5' 5" Height:	Yes, by carbs I mean potatoes, bread, pasta, rice, wheat, grains and grain products...preferebly unrefined, but if processed, as little as possible. Best to avoid fried ones, stick to baked, boiled, brolied, that kind of stuff, not cooked with oil/butter. __________________ "In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun." Just a li'le bit 'bout myself



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christyblue Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: illinois Posts: 510 Weight Statistics 9/12/05 Start Date: 9/12/05 Surgery Date: Please Enter Height: 317 lb Start Weight: 184 lb Current Weight: 150 lb Goal Weight: 133 lb Weight Loss: 34 lb Lb Left to Lose: 41.9558359621 % % Lost: 09/12/07 Goal Date: Body Mass Index 51 BMI Start: 29 BMI Current: 24 BMI Goal: Weight Loss Method Roux en Y Gastric Bypass	great advice doc..i need to take it...i ate french fries yesterday...bad choice...today will be better...i always get my protien in tho...i crave it actually. huggs christy __________________ ChristyBlue surgery 9/12/05 open RNY BMI 51/29 315/185/150 130 pounds lost

04-13-2006, 06:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
freebird WLS Mentor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: outside of Ottawa Ontario Posts: 1,187 Please Enter Height:	ok thanks Doc.I've pretty much cut out potatoes, bread, hardly ever eat pasta and when i do it's in the form of whole wheat lasagna noodles or whole wheat spaghetti noodles. i eat rice like say once in every 6 or 7 months, (not a big rice fan), when i do eat bread it's 12 grain or rye and when i do crave potatoes or find i am extra hungry i 'll have a yam (well half a yam. So i hope i'm ok. Thanks for the advice __________________ Don't let todays sorrows cloud tomorrows dreams (Surgery date? = still waiting)

04-18-2006, 03:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pillows Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: McGuire Air Force Base, New Jersey, USA Posts: 2,495 Please Enter Height:	Another good thing to do is to substitute brown rice for white rice. I did South Beach before I decided to have the surgery, and it was easier to follow than a lot of other diets because it recognized the need for good carbs. It sounds like you have a really good handle on it. I love Triscuits too. I would put a little low fat whipped cream cheese on them and if I was really lucky a sliced strawberry. Janae __________________ "Being happy doesn't mean that everything is perfect...it means that you have learned to see past the imperfections. " Surgery date April 4th 2006

04-27-2006, 06:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
freebird WLS Mentor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: outside of Ottawa Ontario Posts: 1,187 Please Enter Height:	thanks for the suggestion pillows, i am not a big rice eater to begin with and neither is roo, i think i bought a box of minute rice a year ago and still have over half a box left. i like the triscuit, low fat cream cheese, and strawberries, sounds yummy __________________ Don't let todays sorrows cloud tomorrows dreams (Surgery date? = still waiting)

05-02-2006, 06:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Pillows Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: McGuire Air Force Base, New Jersey, USA Posts: 2,495 Please Enter Height:	One thing that I have discovered post op that I like protein wise is the Oven Roasted Turkey Spam. It is a softer easier meat to eat in the puree stage, you can fry it and compliment it easily, and it has low amounts of fat in it so you don't have to sweat about that. I have tried it pan fried with a thin strip of mozzarella melted on it and either mustard or marinara sauce to mix things up. I also enjoyed the fact that it was easy to grab a slice of it and nibble it as I was driving to get the car's oil changed today. Hope this helps you out. Janae __________________ "Being happy doesn't mean that everything is perfect...it means that you have learned to see past the imperfections. " Surgery date April 4th 2006

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