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Old 09-29-2008, 07:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all, I am a military wife, as I believe I have mentioned before, and have Tricare Prime, which I really do love and think they're a great insurance company. There's been a snag, though. They are saying they do not cover nutritionist coverage at all for the WLS process, which surprises me. They're only $115 an hour so it's not that it will break my budget, but I was just curious if others on Tricare, particularly Tricare Prime, have experienced this.

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Old 09-29-2008, 08:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have tricare prime as well and they covered my nutritional consult. Not sure why they would not be covering it now. Good luck with everything though!
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have tricare prime as well and they covered my nutritional consult. Not sure why they would not be covering it now. Good luck with everything though!
Really?!? I even called them! <sigh> I'm under TriWest here in Oregon. Do you by chance still have your referral or can you login and see what your CPT code was for the visit? When I look at mine online it says:


Not
Approved 97802-97802 medical nutrition, indiv, in


Any idea if that is what yours says? The 97802-97802 is not our zip code, it's the CPT, or procedure, code.

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Old 09-30-2008, 08:38 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I am tricare prime, and in order to qualify for the surgery, I had to see nutritionist through Bremerton Naval hospital. In fact, it was my nutritionist who had the final say.

I had my surgery at Madigan Army Medical Center in Tacoma.

Is there no military facility where you are?
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Old 09-30-2008, 10:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I am tricare prime, and in order to qualify for the surgery, I had to see nutritionist through Bremerton Naval hospital. In fact, it was my nutritionist who had the final say.

I had my surgery at Madigan Army Medical Center in Tacoma.

Is there no military facility where you are?

That's correct, we're in Oregon so Madigan is actually our closest. I see only civi docs.

I don't know how it works when you are seen at military facilities. Do you still have to get referrals? If so, do you remember what your referral said for the codes, etc., as explained above? It just drives me crazy. LOL

Thanks for your help and comments. I appreciate all the info I get.
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Old 09-30-2008, 12:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have tricare Standard and all I had to pay was my sic appointment.
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Old 09-30-2008, 12:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Gosh, I'm sorry, I have no idea what:

"Not Approved 97802-97802 medical nutrition, indiv, in"
means....

It's funny because since I got married I have only ever been seen at military hospitals and clinics...lol

Although Madigan does the surgery, I am Tricare Prime at Naval Hospital Bremerton so I had to go through my PCM (primary care manager) for the referral. Once my PCM put in the referral I recieved a call from Case Management and my case manager scheduled my classes and then referred me to the in house nutritionist.

From that point on, the nutritionist is the gatekeeper. I had to keep detailed food/exercise journals (I used FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal) I had to attend 6 theraputic lifestyle change classes, and I had to attend a WLS support group held at Bremerton. I also had to attend a seminar with Dr Sebesta at Madigan to go over each procedure.

That seminar is one of the best things you can do. Try to get your referral as soon as you can.

Which leads me to the question: Do you already have a referral to Madigan? Because you are going outside, I don't really know what the protocol is, because Madigan has thier own pathway that's even different from Bremerton. Bremerton is one of the strictest due to the fact that they had too many patients regaining weight through lack of proper training.

Seriously, they teach you everything how to read labels in the grocery store to how to order in a restaurant. It's all good stuff.

The only thing I did outside the hospital was the mental health eval; I already had my own doctor for that so I made the appointment, told him what I needed, he arranged for me to take the test, and then a week later we met to discuss the results. He then forwarded the results to my case manager, who placed them in my record.

Once my nutritionist was satisfied that I had completed each step, she then contacted my case manager, who contacted Madigan. Madican surgical services then called me to set an appt to meet with my surgeon. Dr Carter did my surgery, and I feel that I must warn you: if he does your procedure he's going to want to do an open bypass. It's his thing. He prefers it, but don't do anything you don't want do to. I was not comfortable with the idea of open bypass; I chose laproscopic and I am very glad I did. I was home from the hospital within two days. Had I had open my recovery would be twice as long and twice as painful.

I wonder; is there any way you could get into Madigan's pathway? I imagine that it would all be done in house; so your nutrition counseling would be handled there. But, I must stress, that since I didn't go through Madigans pathway, I can't be of much help. However, I see my nutritionist in three weeks; if you send me a PM I can ask her for you.

Gosh, sorry for the long post. If you have any questions about Madigan I am more than happy to help; I did have a good experience and it's a top notch hospital. It is listed as one of the best bariatric surgery centers in the country, so you will be in good hands.
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I have prime too and I had to pay out of pocket for my nutritionist it was 85 a visit for me
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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339 lb
Current Weight:
175 lb
Goal Weight:
201 lb
Weight Loss:
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Lb Left to Lose:
37.2222222222 %
% Lost:
10/28/2010
Goal Date:

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BMI Current:
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Gosh, I'm sorry, I have no idea what:

"Not Approved 97802-97802 medical nutrition, indiv, in" means....

It's funny because since I got married I have only ever been seen at military hospitals and clinics...lol

Although Madigan does the surgery, I am Tricare Prime at Naval Hospital Bremerton so I had to go through my PCM (primary care manager) for the referral. Once my PCM put in the referral I recieved a call from Case Management and my case manager scheduled my classes and then referred me to the in house nutritionist.

From that point on, the nutritionist is the gatekeeper. I had to keep detailed food/exercise journals (I used FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal) I had to attend 6 theraputic lifestyle change classes, and I had to attend a WLS support group held at Bremerton. I also had to attend a seminar with Dr Sebesta at Madigan to go over each procedure.

That seminar is one of the best things you can do. Try to get your referral as soon as you can.

Which leads me to the question: Do you already have a referral to Madigan? Because you are going outside, I don't really know what the protocol is, because Madigan has thier own pathway that's even different from Bremerton. Bremerton is one of the strictest due to the fact that they had too many patients regaining weight through lack of proper training.

Seriously, they teach you everything how to read labels in the grocery store to how to order in a restaurant. It's all good stuff.

The only thing I did outside the hospital was the mental health eval; I already had my own doctor for that so I made the appointment, told him what I needed, he arranged for me to take the test, and then a week later we met to discuss the results. He then forwarded the results to my case manager, who placed them in my record.

Once my nutritionist was satisfied that I had completed each step, she then contacted my case manager, who contacted Madigan. Madican surgical services then called me to set an appt to meet with my surgeon. Dr Carter did my surgery, and I feel that I must warn you: if he does your procedure he's going to want to do an open bypass. It's his thing. He prefers it, but don't do anything you don't want do to. I was not comfortable with the idea of open bypass; I chose laproscopic and I am very glad I did. I was home from the hospital within two days. Had I had open my recovery would be twice as long and twice as painful.

I wonder; is there any way you could get into Madigan's pathway? I imagine that it would all be done in house; so your nutrition counseling would be handled there. But, I must stress, that since I didn't go through Madigans pathway, I can't be of much help. However, I see my nutritionist in three weeks; if you send me a PM I can ask her for you.

Gosh, sorry for the long post. If you have any questions about Madigan I am more than happy to help; I did have a good experience and it's a top notch hospital. It is listed as one of the best bariatric surgery centers in the country, so you will be in good hands.
Thanks for all the info! I really do appreciate you taking the time to explain all that. I don't know if I could be seen at Madigan, but to be honest with you I'd really rather stay with being seen at a civillian hospital. I'm so far into the process, too; I'd hate to start all over again. Plus Ft. Lewis is like 2 or 3 hours from me one way. Thank you for explaining that. I'm sure curious why some of us seem to not have to pay for nutrition and some do (like becka's note after yours). It doesn't make sense to me. That's sad to hear about Bremerton's track record. I, too, am not comfortable with having an open procedure; I am greatly hoping for it to be done laparoscopically, especially since my husband is in Iraq and I'll be having to rely on family members for help and I'm not the kind of person to ask for help!

Anyway, thanks again so much for all your help. I really do appreciate it!
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Well now you're the first one besides myself I've heard that from. hmmm. Very fishy. Thanks for letting me know, Becka. I appreciate it.
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